Episode 31
Music, Meditation & Meaning with Jesse Cale
Jesse Cale is a musician, poet, and the founder of hOm Sound Baths, whose work explores sound as a doorway into presence, healing, and altered states of awareness. In this conversation, we talk about his upbringing in evangelical Christianity, leaving the church, mental health, music as ritual, the rise of sound baths, money and meaning, community, and what happens when you build something from the deepest parts of yourself.
Follow Jesse on Instagram @JesseCale, and learn more about hOm and find a sound bath near you at https://www.homsoundmeditation.com or on Instagram @homsoundbaths.
The music for this episode was all composed by Jesse, and you can listen to more of his music on Spotify, Apple Music, or YouTube.
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Transcript
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Speaker:This is episode 31 of onefjef.
Speaker:21 arrives like a turning point, the opening of a satan cycle, a season of reckoning and
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Speaker:Hello my friends.
Speaker:Here we are.
Speaker:We are here.
Speaker:In 2026 it's happening.
Speaker:Another year is happening.
Speaker:Every year that comes I'm just like, wow, really?
Speaker:And yet, and yet.
Speaker:About two years ago my friend Brad asked me if I wanted to go to a sound bath.
Speaker:I had been to a couple sound baths at my yoga studio and it was mostly just like a guy
Speaker:who brought a bunch of sound bowls and other random instruments like didgeridoo and stuff.
Speaker:Wandering around, playing the instruments while we all light on our backs, listening to
Speaker:them.
Speaker:And I liked it but I wasn't like, whoa.
Speaker:But this sound bath I went to with Brad was different.
Speaker:It was on a full moon and we go to this building which was an old church and you walk in and
Speaker:it's this entire vibe.
Speaker:I mean there's like cool projection lights, there's like all these stations with different,
Speaker:you know, fortunes and different tarot cards and different kind of things you could do.
Speaker:It was really something else.
Speaker:And then the sound bath begins and it's less a sound bath.
Speaker:It's more a sound concert.
Speaker:We're lying on our backs, pillows and everything.
Speaker:And he's got like ten musicians kind of wandering around the space playing different instruments.
Speaker:And he's planned it all out to kind of go through like an hour long meditative thing.
Speaker:It's really incredible.
Speaker:My mind was blown.
Speaker:It was like, whoa, this is happening in Columbus.
Speaker:And after that I went to like, I don't know, seven or eight of them and yeah, had some profound
Speaker:experiences in these sound baths.
Speaker:And the man who created this sound bath concert experience is my guest today.
Speaker:Jesse Cale is a musician, poet and meditation guide best known as the founder of hOm.
Speaker:His work lives at the intersection of music, language and contemplative practice using
Speaker:sound not as performance but as a doorway into listening, presence and into the states of
Speaker:awareness.
Speaker:Drawing from his background in music and poetry, Jesse approaches sound baths as a form
Speaker:of composition and inquiry.
Speaker:Being a immersive experience is shaped by tone, rhythm, silence and attention.
Speaker:And I'm really glad that we could make this happen because Jesse is a fascinating guy.
Speaker:I feel here.
Speaker:He has had a very interesting life and has a very interesting perspective on life.
Speaker:And I think you're really going to enjoy this conversation.
Speaker:So thank you for listening.
Speaker:Thank you for being here.
Speaker:Here's Jesse Cale.
Speaker:I've actually been enjoying trying to be boring.
Speaker:Enjoying trying to be boring.
Speaker:I had some meetings walked through a business for doing a sound bath in an office and they
Speaker:were walking around.
Speaker:I just got the email about the Dayton one.
Speaker:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker:Where we've got a few coming up in Columbus, so you don't got to go all the way to Dayton.
Speaker:You're right.
Speaker:Are you coming back to the one in the church?
Speaker:No, we're not doing that many, many more.
Speaker:I'm trying to do like just smaller, more intimate ones.
Speaker:And we're doing the Columbus Museum of Art in the spring.
Speaker:Oh, that's fun.
Speaker:Yeah, so you did with East Forest there, yeah?
Speaker:Yeah, we did that last March.
Speaker:So we're going to do it again in March.
Speaker:I'm not sure who we're going to bring in.
Speaker:We might actually bring in an artist from Japan.
Speaker:Oh, cool.
Speaker:This woman, June Futamata, she's incredible.
Speaker:Amazing.
Speaker:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker:So how you got in my radar was, I don't know, about two years ago.
Speaker:Her friend of mine, Brad, he was like, you want to go to a sound bath?
Speaker:He had actually gone on a hinge date to one of your sound baths.
Speaker:Nice.
Speaker:And I'm like, sure, I'll go.
Speaker:I had no idea.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And my mind, I'll be honest, like my mind was blown.
Speaker:I've been in this city for like seven years.
Speaker:It was one of the coolest things I discovered in this city.
Speaker:Thank you.
Speaker:Thank you for that.
Speaker:It was like a revelation.
Speaker:I was like, oh, shit.
Speaker:Amazing.
Speaker:And then I ran into people that I knew from like yoga studios, like Anastasia.
Speaker:So yeah, thank you for doing that.
Speaker:That was a really amazing thing.
Speaker:But that, I mean, hearing, I don't, I don't poke and prod, I don't ask.
Speaker:Right, right, right.
Speaker:But when people share stuff like that with me, it means so much.
Speaker:No, I've had some profound experiences at your sound baths.
Speaker:Thank you.
Speaker:How did those get started?
Speaker:Oh, man.
Speaker:It turns on how far back we want to go.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:Well, how much time do we have?
Speaker:What were you born in Columbus?
Speaker:I was born and raised in Columbus.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:I was actually born and raised not too far from here.
Speaker:Oh, right on.
Speaker:Yeah, right on.
Speaker:So actually over North London.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:I guess I'm back close now.
Speaker:So I grew up in Cleveland and with a doll over and then came back to Columbus.
Speaker:So I'm getting closer to home.
Speaker:Cool.
Speaker:Very cool.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Cleveland's got a cool vibe.
Speaker:Yeah, I like Cleveland a lot.
Speaker:I have mixed feelings about Columbus, but I like Cleveland a whole lot.
Speaker:It's got a, that is, that is so fair.
Speaker:It really is, isn't it?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:It's hard to argue with.
Speaker:Columbus needs like a, like a, it needs to figure out what it is.
Speaker:You know what I mean?
Speaker:Yeah, well, it needs to figure out, oh man, it doesn't have an identity.
Speaker:It doesn't have enough community space.
Speaker:That's true.
Speaker:You know, that's true.
Speaker:And I think the identity would be born out of that, but because, you know, people all
Speaker:being together would give birth to something, but it's just a city of islands.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And it has too much football.
Speaker:You know, I'm glad that we have one thing that we have like a major pride in.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:I guess that's true.
Speaker:I'm not.
Speaker:I don't follow the Buckeyes anymore.
Speaker:I did when I was a little growing up, of course.
Speaker:Yeah, me too.
Speaker:Me too.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And that was always a fun thing.
Speaker:And then I got older and realized that not everybody cares about college football.
Speaker:And I was like, yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:When I moved back here, I followed them before I moved back here.
Speaker:Like not.
Speaker:But as a huge, huge fan, but still I'd follow them.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:But then I came back here and I saw the cult like thing that goes on and I was just not really
Speaker:for sure.
Speaker:But I've just alienated probably 100% of my audience.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:No, no, no, no, no.
Speaker:No, it's super fair.
Speaker:You know, it's definitely for a specific demographic, which Columbus really caters to.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I mean, Ohio.
Speaker:Ohio.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Ohio, definitely.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:You know, being a big college town, having all of the major headquarters of corporations
Speaker:that we have here.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:It is very much for the kind of professional moving through life and yeah, dend and loving
Speaker:football.
Speaker:So what was, what was like growing up here?
Speaker:What was your early years like?
Speaker:So that is where we can start to get to the sound bats because it really was like out the
Speaker:gate, you know?
Speaker:I was born into a, I was homeschooled.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:I was born into a Christian home.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:It was a branch of Christianity that really put a lot of emphasis on like mirroring.
Speaker:And, and magic.
Speaker:Huh.
Speaker:And what, what, what is your name for this brand?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So it was called empowered evangelicalism.
Speaker:Huh.
Speaker:I've never heard of this one.
Speaker:So it was born out of the Jesus-freak movement of the 70s.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:So like a little hippie-ish, a little.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Definitely, definitely in its roots and some, and some hippie quality.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:Which is what Jesus was.
Speaker:For sure.
Speaker:Absolutely.
Speaker:This is where they've gotten lost is they've forgotten that Jesus is just a hippie at
Speaker:heart.
Speaker:You know, yeah.
Speaker:You know, my parents would host people at the house and they would play music, you know,
Speaker:and I loved it.
Speaker:You know, my dad was a musician.
Speaker:My mom would play guitar too.
Speaker:They both sang.
Speaker:And they would then, they would sit quietly and they would, at the time, they would call,
Speaker:you know, they would say they're quote unquote, "waiting on the Lord."
Speaker:Sure.
Speaker:And they would just sit and listen.
Speaker:And then after a few minutes, everybody would kind of come back to and then they would have
Speaker:like, they called it prophetic words for each other.
Speaker:It's like, "Quakerism in a way."
Speaker:Like it's adjacent.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:That's what they do.
Speaker:They just sit and wait for the message to come through.
Speaker:And it was very much that.
Speaker:And, you know, being, I was one, two, three, four years old, you know, watching the
Speaker:take place and people were getting these messages for one another that were very profound.
Speaker:And I would see the emotional response that people would have.
Speaker:And then they would do hands-on prayer, you know, which there's so many, that runs
Speaker:through so many practices.
Speaker:So many practices.
Speaker:And, yeah, yeah.
Speaker:And, you know, another form.
Speaker:And I would watch just these like really radical, emotional, and physical responses take place
Speaker:that were seemingly profoundly touching, healing, and moving for people.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:And I was very little.
Speaker:And being raised with that being a fundamental.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:It was what really, it just led me into this place of wanting to be close to that type of relationship
Speaker:with the intangible, you know.
Speaker:Huh.
Speaker:Was the music good or was it Jesus music?
Speaker:It was worship music.
Speaker:It was Jesus music, you know.
Speaker:But there were like some songs that just had wonderful chord progressions.
Speaker:Sure.
Speaker:My dad was a great guitar player.
Speaker:He was a guitar.
Speaker:And I just loved it.
Speaker:And, you know, running simultaneously to that, my dad would just, you know, put on records,
Speaker:just be like, "Oh, you got to listen to this.
Speaker:Oh, you got to listen.
Speaker:It's just playing me music all the time."
Speaker:Right, right, right.
Speaker:My brother started guitar lessons.
Speaker:And I had an experience when I was four years old that really like set it off.
Speaker:You know, this is going down a more spiritual route.
Speaker:And it does tie back into, I mean, it really ties back into the soundbath stuff that we're
Speaker:on.
Speaker:But I had a big weight fall on my foot when I was four years old and crushed one of my
Speaker:toes.
Speaker:And my mom didn't know what to do, you know.
Speaker:So she just picked me up and she laid her hand on my foot and she prayed for it.
Speaker:And it just went back to normal.
Speaker:No kidding.
Speaker:Just immediately.
Speaker:Yeah, because the pain went away.
Speaker:The color came back.
Speaker:And do you attribute this, I mean, from where your head space is now?
Speaker:Do you attribute this to divine power, intervention of some sort?
Speaker:Or do you, I mean, I'm just curious.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:No, absolutely.
Speaker:That's a great question.
Speaker:And I've thought about that a ton because as I've had to kind of change the context
Speaker:and reframe it, I really think that what allowed it was what we could call as a poetic term
Speaker:of faith, you know, and the power that belief can, I don't know how to say it, like shift
Speaker:reality is absolutely.
Speaker:No, I get it.
Speaker:I mean, there's validity to the power of prayer.
Speaker:And I think that it goes along with even like the, I don't think it's just prayer though.
Speaker:I think it's just energy being, you know, of course, it's all.
Speaker:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker:So it checks out, but wow, that's kind of, that's kind of fascinating.
Speaker:Do you remember what, like how the weight was like, oh, yeah, I remember it very well.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:There was my dad had left a 45 pound, like barbell weight on the couch.
Speaker:And I discovered centrifugal force.
Speaker:I started pushing it into the cushion.
Speaker:And I was like, oh, if I get a rhythm, I can get it to bounce higher and higher.
Speaker:And so I was just playing with the rhythm of it.
Speaker:Meanwhile, it's slowly edging towards the end of the couch.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:And then there was just a cement floor.
Speaker:It was in the basement.
Speaker:And the thing just came down and just boom, right on my toe, you know, got my toe right
Speaker:between the floor and the one.
Speaker:And your toes good now though.
Speaker:Oh, yeah.
Speaker:Everything was fine.
Speaker:It was just after my mom came down, you know, and she prayed for it.
Speaker:It was just, I have some arthritis in my toe under for your mom.
Speaker:She, you know, what's funny is, is she was a pastor in one of the biggest churches here
Speaker:in Columbus for a long time.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:And now she is a witch.
Speaker:Ah, I mean, it's a path.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker:Absolutely.
Speaker:And it's again, it's just discovering this relationship with energy or the universe or whatever
Speaker:you want to call it.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:However, people want to have a relationship with it.
Speaker:And just finding what comes into agreement when it comes to language and kind of the
Speaker:shape, the face and the context.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Because it's all kind of the same idea, just wrapped in different packages.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And same idea.
Speaker:And I think a lot of it is, you know, because ideas get into categories.
Speaker:And since it is such a like amorphous thing that it really is just like more of feeling rather
Speaker:than idea.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:So.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:It's unfortunate that this feeling is often clouded by people's personal beliefs and personal
Speaker:things they're trying to layer on.
Speaker:What Jesus meant to say and so forth and so on.
Speaker:It was just a religion that you were involved in.
Speaker:It doesn't sound terribly strict, although you were at home school.
Speaker:Was it restrictive or was it?
Speaker:It was definitely conservative.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:You know, it was conservative.
Speaker:It was funny because my parents were pretty loose compared to a lot of some of the other
Speaker:families in the church.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:I went to a private school for a short window of my life.
Speaker:And that was much more strict and conservative.
Speaker:But you know what?
Speaker:As I look back on all of it, I'm so, so grateful.
Speaker:I was raised in a fairly soft environment because I'm a very sensitive person.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:And, you know, I can look back on that and be like, wow, if I was in just a rougher environment
Speaker:and less gentle, you know, situations of care and relationship and I probably would be
Speaker:a much more, I would be different.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:In a way that I'm not.
Speaker:I'm not.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I'm extremely sensitive as well to a degree that I have learned to, as I've gotten older,
Speaker:like, except in kind of, in brace.
Speaker:But when I was younger, it was just kind of a mess because I'm just an open wound kind of
Speaker:in a lot of ways.
Speaker:And yeah, it's interesting that the, that the religious upbringing kind of gently helped
Speaker:you through that.
Speaker:Absolutely.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So how did like after, I mean, I got a point to this music star, I suppose, what does your
Speaker:music start?
Speaker:Totally.
Speaker:So my dad would play me records all the time, like I was saying.
Speaker:What kind of records?
Speaker:He was really into Prague, like Prague rock.
Speaker:Oh, really?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Absolutely.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Oh, my gosh, close to the edges is one of my, it is an old faith.
Speaker:But anytime he would put on, he would put on, you know, some Prague.
Speaker:He also loved like Genesis and King Crimson, right?
Speaker:And he would play me, but then he would play me artists like Kraftwerk.
Speaker:And then he would play me.
Speaker:There was this Japanese modular synthesizer mastermind named Tomita.
Speaker:And he would play me anything that he would play me.
Speaker:So this is where Prague kind of plays into anything that is synthesizer.
Speaker:Anytime I heard synthesizers or electronic instruments, I would just feel this overwhelming
Speaker:sense of my body.
Speaker:Ever since I was very, very little.
Speaker:So when I was six years old, I already knew this, but I didn't know since there wasn't a
Speaker:lot of it.
Speaker:I didn't know how to point at it.
Speaker:Rock music was everywhere.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Sure, sure.
Speaker:And then this Christian artist named Joy Electric.
Speaker:Big fan, big fan.
Speaker:You know Joy and I.
Speaker:Oh, I was going to say, I was going to say because if you're in the city, you know,
Speaker:into electronic music, a lot of people discover him because he is a analog synthesizer,
Speaker:just genius.
Speaker:Oh, really?
Speaker:This man, I think at one point in time, I don't know if he still has them, had like a hundred
Speaker:analog synthesizers.
Speaker:He had like almost his own analogs at Cesar Lake Museum.
Speaker:And he would put out songs.
Speaker:There's a Christian radio station here in town called Radio U.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:They started, I think in '95, but in '96, I heard a song by this artist Joy Electric on
Speaker:the radio and it was like being struck by lightning.
Speaker:And I was like, this is exactly what I want to do with my life.
Speaker:I want to play the synthesizer.
Speaker:I want to work with sounds.
Speaker:I love sounds.
Speaker:Right, right, right.
Speaker:So my, my grandfather, that Christmas got me a little Cassio keyboard.
Speaker:Sure.
Speaker:I started piano lessons, you know, secondhand piano lessons from a woman at the church.
Speaker:Wonderful, wonderful lady.
Speaker:And I just started taking piano so that I could grow up.
Speaker:And first of all, find out where the hell I can find a synthesizer.
Speaker:Right, right, right.
Speaker:And then, you know, it just went from there and I got my first, I got like a recording software
Speaker:game when I was eight years old.
Speaker:And then my dad, my dad worked in tech.
Speaker:He was a 90 and he got me my first actual recording software program for the computer in,
Speaker:I think it was '99 or 2000, which one was it?
Speaker:It was called acid music.
Speaker:No, I don't remember the one.
Speaker:It was a fairly like underground.
Speaker:It was used by a lot of electronic music producers.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:And the company that made them, Sonic Foundry, had some really popular other programs,
Speaker:like SoundForge, that tons of artists.
Speaker:Honestly, yeah.
Speaker:To this day still used, which is cool.
Speaker:And then we got a corg synthesizer when I was 10 years old.
Speaker:And my brother and I, we would just, you know, I just, I loved abstract ambient instrumental
Speaker:stuff.
Speaker:And then I had a lot of that.
Speaker:And I would just make this abstract instrumental ambient stuff when I was really little.
Speaker:And then music for airports kind of thing.
Speaker:Totally.
Speaker:Yeah, totally.
Speaker:Yeah, you know, that was another one that I would put on every now and then.
Speaker:And then when I was 11, I went to, as when I started my private school and I remember showing
Speaker:up with the tape of my original music and playing it for people on the bus and they're just
Speaker:like, this is you?
Speaker:And I'm like, yeah, and they're like, what the hell is this?
Speaker:You know, because it's just this really low on their minds a little bit.
Speaker:Yeah, they're like, this is weird.
Speaker:I know.
Speaker:I was like, oh, I love it.
Speaker:You know?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So that was, that was the start of my life in music.
Speaker:But running concurrent, concurrently, it was my, my spiritual life, you know?
Speaker:So I had this example of seeing these people sit in a quiet space and listening.
Speaker:And so so often I would just sit in my room and meditate.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:You know, I didn't know it was called meditation.
Speaker:That was a bad word back then, you know?
Speaker:Sure.
Speaker:But I would just sit and I would talk to God and would have just these really sweet, beautiful,
Speaker:really tuning into the subtleties moments.
Speaker:And then I started doing it while listening to music.
Speaker:And you know, I just started having these really, really profound, crazy, wild, you know,
Speaker:supernatural experiences.
Speaker:And this is still Jesus based at this point.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And what point does that shift into something other than Jesus?
Speaker:Or is it still, I don't know?
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:That's a great question.
Speaker:I moved to California when I was 21.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:And I eventually officially kind of decided I was leaving the church when I was like 25.
Speaker:How'd you go to California?
Speaker:So I was doing music.
Speaker:It's funny.
Speaker:I was actually playing keyboard for a Christian rapper and simultaneous to playing with him,
Speaker:his brother and his brothers at the time partner.
Speaker:They started a business for YouTubers.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:And they were working with all of the top YouTubers at the time and creating essentially like
Speaker:a YouTube production management marketing conglomerate.
Speaker:And this is early YouTube.
Speaker:So very early YouTube.
Speaker:So this was 2010 when they were when that really started to get some traction.
Speaker:And then the rapper that I was playing with, he was like, Hey, I'm moving to California to
Speaker:work with my brother to run the music department.
Speaker:You know, so we're kind of done here.
Speaker:And then after he moves, he hits me up and he's like, Hey, do you want to start writing
Speaker:music for some of these YouTubers?
Speaker:And I pitched a song and do you remember what it was?
Speaker:Oh, yeah, I remember what it was.
Speaker:So you're going to love this.
Speaker:So I'm going to write a biography and I'm going to tell you the name and then I'm going
Speaker:to tell you the stories.
Speaker:And it's going to be called Ascentities Changed My Life.
Speaker:So the reason I say that is there was a comedy band.
Speaker:It was the number one music channel on YouTube.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:And it was this guy Ray William Johnson.
Speaker:He was the number one YouTuber on YouTube at the time.
Speaker:He was doing kind of an America's funny as home videos version on YouTube called equals
Speaker:three.
Speaker:And he had a cartoon band, kind of like the gorillas, you know, cartoon band, but it was doing
Speaker:just kind of crass comedy.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:And I got a call and it was like, Hey, do you want to write and produce a comedy song?
Speaker:And I'm going to try to sell it to this guy, you know, to this YouTube channel.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And if they like it, you know, we'll pay.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So I wrote a song called TIGO Lbities.
Speaker:You know, and it was just this full on electronic pop song.
Speaker:The chorus is just saying TIGO Lbities over and over again.
Speaker:And have you played it?
Speaker:Have you played it since?
Speaker:Have you just let that go?
Speaker:I have not, I think you should pull that out of the sound.
Speaker:Yeah, I just out of nowhere.
Speaker:Yeah, not the first person to say that.
Speaker:And so I, you know, I was 21 at the time and I was like, okay, these are middle school
Speaker:boys that are watching these videos.
Speaker:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker:They love boobs.
Speaker:Yeah.
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Speaker:So I wrote this song.
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Speaker:I mean, his brother was just crying and laughing.
Speaker:And they were like, okay, this is the one.
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Speaker:I didn't really know.
Speaker:And so that happened, you know, they were like, hey, good job.
Speaker:And they were like, you're basically in the door now.
Speaker:Do you want to do another one?
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:And so I was like, okay, if the demographic is young boys, they also love video games.
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Speaker:So I wrote a song about video games.
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Speaker:No.
Speaker:But TiggleBitties didn't pay off them.
Speaker:It's a...
Speaker:Well, they...
Speaker:They made...
Speaker:They made...
Speaker:I signed a contract without getting a lawyer.
Speaker:I'll say that.
Speaker:I'll say that.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:So I'm sure there's the biggest mistake, I think, because of this.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:I would have been making bank, but instead of...
Speaker:Explatation.
Speaker:I hear that's a big thing there in LA and in entertainment industry.
Speaker:Oh, it's not just LA.
Speaker:It's a...
Speaker:It's a...
Speaker:Sure.
Speaker:Sure.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:No.
Speaker:It's a...
Speaker:It's a...
Speaker:Sure.
Speaker:Sure.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:No.
Speaker:And honestly, as I look back at my life, I'm so glad that nothing I was working on then
Speaker:worked out because...
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:You'd be making TiggleBitties the eighth version of it at this point.
Speaker:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker:Right before we left, we were working on TiggleBitties for Snoop Dogg.
Speaker:Sure.
Speaker:So did that ever happen?
Speaker:Did Snoop Dogg ever record a version of TiggleBitties?
Speaker:He was working...
Speaker:We were working on one, but it never actually.
Speaker:No.
Speaker:No, that was a whole...
Speaker:That was a whole story.
Speaker:So the project, after I moved there lasted for about two years, and then there was an
Speaker:intellectual property dispute.
Speaker:Oh, yeah.
Speaker:And everything shut down.
Speaker:You mean Snoop Dogg?
Speaker:I did, yes.
Speaker:Oh, how's that?
Speaker:It was funny.
Speaker:He came into my studio briefly, and he's like, it was just this funny little interaction.
Speaker:He's just like, what did you do, gentlemen?
Speaker:And I turned around, I was like, making beats, and he goes, as you should be, and he just
Speaker:dapped me up and like vibed for a second and walked out.
Speaker:So...
Speaker:Now he's still in cell phones or whatever.
Speaker:Yeah, he's doing everything.
Speaker:He's doing everything.
Speaker:Yeah, he sure is.
Speaker:He sure is turned into a savvy businessman, that Snoop Dogg.
Speaker:Absolutely.
Speaker:So he's been doing it for two years in LA, and then you come back to Ohio?
Speaker:Yeah, after about two years, I, one of the other threads that runs into all of this and leads
Speaker:to the soundbass is my mental health.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:You know, I was partying.
Speaker:You were partying?
Speaker:Partying?
Speaker:Well, I started drinking a lot in LA.
Speaker:Sure.
Speaker:You know, I was never a drug person, right?
Speaker:I was definitely a drinker.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:So I was drinking a lot while I was working, and just all through my life, I was...
Speaker:I was a very melancholic person, you know?
Speaker:And I just kind of have this thread of perpetual sadness, you know?
Speaker:Uh-huh.
Speaker:I can relate to that.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And it also promotes a deeply romantic quality that I really, I really totally relate to
Speaker:that as well, yeah.
Speaker:So I'm...
Speaker:I really...
Speaker:Oh, I couldn't imagine looking at the world through different eyes, you know?
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:But it's hard to carry.
Speaker:It's heavy.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker:And I feel like tying into the alcohol, the alcohol I feel like with, especially with sensitive
Speaker:people like ourselves, I think it really does tone down that sensitivity a little bit and
Speaker:makes the world a little bit easier to function in.
Speaker:Absolutely.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:That was...
Speaker:That was the allure, you know?
Speaker:You know?
Speaker:I'd be like, oh, oh, I'm so uptight.
Speaker:And then after a few drinks, I'm just like, I'm enjoying this.
Speaker:But then after a few more, it was like, I'm not enjoying this.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Because it's like anxiety, I feel like goes with the sensitivity in a way.
Speaker:Exactly.
Speaker:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker:Exactly.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So that all kind of snowballed.
Speaker:My job was changing a ton.
Speaker:The project had fallen apart and I was dating somebody long distance in Ohio.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:And I was like, I'm going to move back to Ohio.
Speaker:Take a break from music.
Speaker:Figure out my relationship and get therapy.
Speaker:Were you dating that person before you went to LA?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So I moved home, started therapy, worked at a Starbucks, you know, to have a little break
Speaker:from music.
Speaker:It's like coffee.
Speaker:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker:Small indeed.
Speaker:Small little indie coffee.
Speaker:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I, once I moved back here, I started getting hired to play at a bunch of churches around town.
Speaker:Huh.
Speaker:And was just playing keys and doing sound.
Speaker:And I just, after being in an incredibly loving, secular environment, which is a funny word
Speaker:to use.
Speaker:But for me, it was different.
Speaker:And just being like, wow, these are some of the most authentic, deeply truly loving people.
Speaker:I've ever been around.
Speaker:And there, there was no religious sense, you know.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:There was, there was, there was a lot of curiosity.
Speaker:And some of them had Christian background.
Speaker:Some of them did have like Eastern religious, you know, backgrounds.
Speaker:These are the musicians.
Speaker:A lot of, a lot of the people I was around and worked with and just, you know, hanging out
Speaker:with and just, it was, it was sweet.
Speaker:And I was running into just, I was like, this is just, this just isn't, I felt like I was
Speaker:looking through a people, you know, when I was, when I was looking at my relationship with
Speaker:reality through the eyes of Christianity.
Speaker:Oh, I see.
Speaker:You know, it makes sense.
Speaker:I was like, I was like, and, and that being said, you know, people can, can hear that and
Speaker:have what kind of reaction to it because we all have our different ideas around what
Speaker:the language is when I say Christianity, it can, it ties into what they think it is.
Speaker:Sure.
Speaker:But I'm talking about what I was raised with, of course, you know.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So I had never let my mind go beyond those borders, you know.
Speaker:And so when I was 25, I took a step back and I was like, I want to look at the world and
Speaker:to my relate to my beautiful, romantic, supernatural relationship.
Speaker:Like I said, you know, having this experience when I was four.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And then tons and tons and tons of miraculous experiences after that all the time.
Speaker:You know, I'll tell you some.
Speaker:So you can kind of get a sense when I was 21 and I moved to LA.
Speaker:I was there for a few months and luckily my house was right by my studio.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:But I was like, I want to venture further and I needed to get a car.
Speaker:I didn't have a car and I was making much money.
Speaker:So a friend of mine calls me one morning and she was just this, you know, very, you know,
Speaker:bright, fun, loving person.
Speaker:And she was like, Hey, Jesse, what can I pray for you today?
Speaker:And I was like, I was like, you can pray that I get a free car.
Speaker:She's like, okay, dear God, I pray that Jesse gets a cheap car.
Speaker:And I was like, no, free.
Speaker:I said free.
Speaker:Like keyword here is free.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And she's like, okay, I pray you get a free car.
Speaker:She hangs out about two hours later.
Speaker:I get a phone call from somebody and they're like, Hey, Jess, I was just wondering, do you
Speaker:want my car?
Speaker:And it was immediately, I just knew it was the same to me.
Speaker:So I said yes.
Speaker:And there was a much longer version of that story that gets so crazy about how the miracle
Speaker:of that car continues to just play on and happen and happen and happen and give me a little
Speaker:more.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:So, so she parks it about what kind of car is this?
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:This is the best part.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:She brings me the keys.
Speaker:Like I said, I live about three blocks from where my studio is.
Speaker:She brings me the key.
Speaker:She gets it tuned up a little bit.
Speaker:She brings me the key.
Speaker:And I'm like, oh, thank you.
Speaker:She's like, I parked it on the street next to the studio.
Speaker:And I walk out.
Speaker:And there it is.
Speaker:It's a little purple beat to shit Volkswagen bug.
Speaker:And I was like, yes, I was like, look at my little baby.
Speaker:You know, it's just, it's, I walk up to it.
Speaker:I look in the, the, in the window and it looks like a bear had been set loose.
Speaker:I mean, this thing is torn to shreds.
Speaker:Well, it's free.
Speaker:And I did, it's funny because I didn't look at it and go, ugh, I looked at it and I was
Speaker:like, this is my miracle.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:This right here is my answered prayer.
Speaker:I wonder if she'd specified that a car head like if it had the nice interior or a free
Speaker:car with a nice interior if it would have been, you know, right, right, right, right,
Speaker:taking notes.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Next time, you know, but I just, I, all I saw was my miracle.
Speaker:I was like, this is beautiful.
Speaker:So I'm like, kiss in it.
Speaker:And I'm like, yes, this is amazing.
Speaker:So fast forward about a year and a half later, I'm getting ready to move.
Speaker:I was like, I got to move back to one, you know.
Speaker:So kind of where we are in the story.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:And I was like, oh, I've got this car.
Speaker:I've got to get rid of it.
Speaker:Shoot.
Speaker:Right after I decide that, they're street sweeping on either side, you know, Tuesday,
Speaker:Kent Park there, Wednesday, Kent Park on the other side, whatever.
Speaker:I've been, so I wake up at, you know, street sweeping starts at 10.
Speaker:I wake up at 10, 10 and I'm like, so out of a bitch, you know, and in my boxers, I just
Speaker:run outside and I'm parked a block away.
Speaker:So I'm like running around the block in my boxes and sure enough, I see the, you know,
Speaker:the parking meter, the meter made.
Speaker:Not the best name, but I walk up and they're giving me a ticket and the guy's like, oh, is
Speaker:this your car?
Speaker:And I'm like, yeah, he's like, I'm so sorry.
Speaker:And I'm like, dude, you're just doing your job.
Speaker:I slept in.
Speaker:It's all good.
Speaker:And he just, he's like, man, I've already put it in the system.
Speaker:I'm so sorry.
Speaker:And he keeps writing.
Speaker:And then he looks at me and he goes, can I buy your car?
Speaker:And I was like, I literally had just decided to move and I needed to get rid of the car.
Speaker:That was like the first thing on my plate.
Speaker:And he's just, this guy's just writing my ticket and then he's like, can I buy your car?
Speaker:And I was like, kismet.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:It was amazing.
Speaker:So, so, you know, I was like, yeah, I'm moving in a week.
Speaker:So he met me at my moving truck a week later and just took the car off my knee.
Speaker:Did he pay the ticket?
Speaker:Well, you paid me 700 bucks, which was great for free car.
Speaker:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I helped cover gas for the way home.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:So insane.
Speaker:So, things like that, I had another experience where I was in Iceland and I was performing
Speaker:at a music festival when I was 18.
Speaker:And we were, the bands were all staying in a school that was near the festival grounds.
Speaker:They basically just put mattresses and stuff in different school rooms for the bands.
Speaker:So a group of kids broke into our room, stole our money.
Speaker:And since it was like a fairly small music festival, fairly tight community word got out.
Speaker:And this woman comes up to us and she's like, hey, you know, we heard you guys got robbed.
Speaker:Well, this was a Christian music festival because we were a little Christian electronic band.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:What was the band called?
Speaker:It was called Fantastic.
Speaker:Okay, that's, that's fine.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I was thinking it'd be some sort of, you know, they would question band in.
Speaker:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker:So this woman comes up to us and she's like, hey, can I pray for you guys?
Speaker:We were like, sure.
Speaker:Sure.
Speaker:Why not?
Speaker:We were like, I'm standing there and she's like, I pray that you get your money back.
Speaker:And we were like, thank you.
Speaker:And then she's like, never mind.
Speaker:I pray you get twice your money back.
Speaker:And we were like, oh, I want to go for three.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So we were like, oh, thank you.
Speaker:You know, and she leaves and we go back to our room.
Speaker:And I never forget this moment.
Speaker:My band mates pacing around, like flipping a switch plate or something.
Speaker:I don't know.
Speaker:He always had a pocket knife.
Speaker:And I was laying down on a mattress.
Speaker:And then this woman walks into the room carrying a box, a different woman.
Speaker:And she's like, hey, I'm from the church next door.
Speaker:And we found out that you guys got robbed.
Speaker:So we took tides and offerings and we are going to give them to you.
Speaker:So here you go.
Speaker:And we counted out and it was two with the dollar twice.
Speaker:What was stolen from us?
Speaker:And I was just, it was just these, so these little answered prayer, little miracle things
Speaker:like that all through my life just kept happening.
Speaker:You know, I kind of love this because you get, it's so often in this world that Christianity
Speaker:is given this, you know, a bad rap, you know.
Speaker:Of course.
Speaker:And it's nice to hear stories like this that are like, you know, positive stories about Christianity
Speaker:about, you know, because I think a lot of the times the stories we hear are people, you
Speaker:know, anti-avortion, so forth and so on and on.
Speaker:Absolutely.
Speaker:So yeah, that's wonderful.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah, for sure.
Speaker:You know, there are so many things that I loved about Christianity.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:It's rare to find in a culture that celebrates individualism, a group of people that
Speaker:collectively believe in something bigger than themselves, you know?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So for there to be a kind of communal kind of understanding and giving and centering around
Speaker:something that is outside of self, it allowed for such a sweet sense of trust in community.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:That was so rich and so wonderful and rare.
Speaker:Exactly.
Speaker:It's incredibly rare.
Speaker:And once I left the church, that was probably the hardest part and has been the hardest part.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Because I feel like community is the main thing we've left in our society and that's something
Speaker:that I miss.
Speaker:You know, I mean, that's, yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And that was one of the big motivators for me doing the home sounds, you know?
Speaker:Well done.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So, you know, moving on though, I had these amazingly rich, beautiful experiences with the
Speaker:listener, you know, whatever you want to call it with God, you know, the whatever it
Speaker:was.
Speaker:What did you call it at the time where you still?
Speaker:At those points in time, at those points in time, I was still a Christian.
Speaker:So I equated it to the God of the Bible, you know?
Speaker:But then when I was 25 and I left the church, I started to kind of divorce a lot of that
Speaker:language and a lot of that thinking and it was very, very hard and very, very sad because
Speaker:it was such a tangible romantic relationship.
Speaker:It was your whole life.
Speaker:It was, and it was my whole life, you know, and there was a lot in that, you know?
Speaker:So I had to just let go and I, but it also led into just like, kid in the candy store.
Speaker:I was, oh my God.
Speaker:Let's go get, let's go check out Buddhism.
Speaker:Let's go, yeah, Hinduism.
Speaker:Sure.
Speaker:Let's get into Jainism.
Speaker:Let's look at esoteric practices.
Speaker:Let's get into various, you know, like it's good into paganism.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Let's go explore, you know, different indigenous beliefs and people in South America.
Speaker:And you know, just all over the place, see what everybody, you know?
Speaker:It's all the same kind of, the same ideas really just told differently in a lot of ways in
Speaker:my experience.
Speaker:Totally.
Speaker:And one of the things that really blew the lid off for me out the gate was Joseph Campbell.
Speaker:You know, the heroes journey, the hero of it with a thousand faces, which is interesting
Speaker:because I went to film school and that's the same thing that they teach you in film school.
Speaker:Of course.
Speaker:Of course.
Speaker:Of course, the hero's journey because it's all this mythical, you know?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:That really was born out of Joseph Campbell and George Lucas with Star Wars, you know,
Speaker:consulted with Joseph Campbell and he was like, here's the, here's essentially the plot,
Speaker:you know, here's the whole story.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:But George Lucas stole from Dune from George Herbert, like that whole idea was.
Speaker:Oh, yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:It's kind of down that road, but still, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker:Oh man, dude.
Speaker:It's so good.
Speaker:Yeah, the new movies were amazing.
Speaker:I was like surprised.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Beautiful.
Speaker:So, you know, moving, moving into the space of what was the thing sorry to interrupt?
Speaker:Well, the thing that got you out of the church.
Speaker:It was really just a lot, well, it was a lot over time.
Speaker:It was being involved in the business of church for a long time, being behind the scenes
Speaker:and just seeing how gnarly it was.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And then a lot of the churches that started to hire me, I mean, just were all about numbers
Speaker:and money.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I was just like, yeah, I was like, this is boring and gross.
Speaker:And, you know, and not it was, it was very unattractive.
Speaker:It was, it was almost to be the poor instead of building a new church.
Speaker:It was, yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:One of the churches I played at, and this was one of my last services I ever played at.
Speaker:They were like, we're, we're starting a fundraiser.
Speaker:We need to raise $22 million for our new campus.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:And, and it's crazy because they did and now they're one of the largest churches in Columbus
Speaker:with multiple, multiple, multiple branches.
Speaker:Is it Duel?
Speaker:No, no, no.
Speaker:I was actually just funny because that was formal EZ and us.
Speaker:Yeah, I know.
Speaker:I have some friends who were, yeah.
Speaker:I got lots of, lots of history with some good stories there.
Speaker:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And I went to the, the worship pastor at the church that I'm, that I'm talking about.
Speaker:And I pulled him aside.
Speaker:I was like, hey, man, I'm really struggling with drinking.
Speaker:And he was like, oh, man, I'm so sorry to hear that man and pray for me and all that.
Speaker:And the next week he showed up and he gave me a handle of whiskey.
Speaker:And it was literally just like, it was probably, it was one of the most offensive
Speaker:heartbreaking, dismay, and impactful things.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:I was just like, all right.
Speaker:So shortly after that, I was like, okay, I'm going to go.
Speaker:Why would, wait, let me get out of here.
Speaker:Did he say anything about, like, did he even address the fact that you just talked to him
Speaker:about having an issue with alcohol?
Speaker:Or what was the, what he said when he handed it to me was like, I know you like to drink
Speaker:bud and he handed it to me.
Speaker:Wow.
Speaker:It was crazy.
Speaker:Just like Jesus intended, I think it was, it was, it was so much generous.
Speaker:It was one of the things that I was like, this is funny.
Speaker:It was also terrible whiskey.
Speaker:So I was like, man.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Like bottom shelf whiskey.
Speaker:If you're a whiskey, at least.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So as I kind of started to kind of move away from that and explore all these other, you know,
Speaker:really what for the first time we're allowed to be incredibly beautiful.
Speaker:All of these new, new religions, myths, philosophy, you know, so many things.
Speaker:My mind had just been kind of closed off to, you know, which was a bummer because I love
Speaker:stories.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I'm a storyteller.
Speaker:And I was like, oh, this, this is good stuff.
Speaker:I was like, this is really great.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:And, you know, also, so running through with that, having this really rich spiritual life,
Speaker:of opening it up to a new interpretations, a new context, new ideas, new sensations, new
Speaker:practices.
Speaker:I also am still working professionally in music, you know.
Speaker:And I went to my first sound bath shortly after that in California.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:And I went in there and I laid down and I was like, oh, this is, this is amazing.
Speaker:And also like, because nobody, I, the person didn't talk about it being a musical experience.
Speaker:They were just like, this is, you know, and there was a lot of the standard language
Speaker:language.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And I'm laying there and I'm having this powerful experience, you know, very much going
Speaker:to kind of a theta brain state.
Speaker:I'm having a wake and, you know, time disappears and I'm deep inside my consciousness.
Speaker:And I come out of that and I was like, that was all just a fundamental pad.
Speaker:I was like, you could add vocals, you could add strings, you could write, and I was like,
Speaker:you could do so much.
Speaker:So I had that idea just planted in my mind.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I get that.
Speaker:It's like that I think is what was actually part of the profound.
Speaker:I mean, it was the whole, the whole environment of that church is kind of amazing number one.
Speaker:But like that you made it into a concert in a way.
Speaker:Totally.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Totally.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Doing that or is this well, so, so what was fun was, so I guess like kind of fast forwarding
Speaker:a little bit.
Speaker:I started to get more into kind of esoteric practice, you know, and started doing a lot
Speaker:of stuff around the full moon simultaneously though.
Speaker:I was doing sound journeys where I like, I would take, you know, I would take my mattress.
Speaker:I would put it on the middle of the floor.
Speaker:I would take huge speakers, push them up against the mattress.
Speaker:I would get a fundamental frequency and I would kind of have my own personal ritual that
Speaker:I would go through and then I would lay down and I would just blast off, you know, I would
Speaker:and this was all without drugs.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:No drugs.
Speaker:No drugs for you.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So I would just lay down on my mattress and I would have these speakers just blasting a tone
Speaker:and I would just take off, you know, and I would just have these really, really crazy,
Speaker:you know, astral projection adjacent kind of experiences.
Speaker:And I was doing that a lot and it was, it was, you know, within the same family as my meditation,
Speaker:you know, and so much of that.
Speaker:So going kind of where the mental health stuff ties in was I quit drinking for the first
Speaker:time when I was 26.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:I started getting really into nutrition and physical wellness.
Speaker:And then once I kind of checked off the body piece, it was time to address a lot of the mind
Speaker:piece.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So I started to get into like regimented practices of meditation, you know, exploring various
Speaker:practices of meditation, mindfulness, vipassana, and you know, things like that.
Speaker:And that led into a deeper and kind of different, more mature relationship with stillness and
Speaker:silence, you know.
Speaker:And then I started using, and then at night, I would use these repetitive sound loops to
Speaker:put me into a hypnosis to journey, you know.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:So, you know, again, the sound bath sound journey kind of stuff.
Speaker:So I had all of these things going on.
Speaker:And fast forward, were you dating anybody while you're doing all these like in there, like
Speaker:in your relationship with sleep.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:They're sleeping meanwhile, like, I'm on a different plan.
Speaker:Right, right, right.
Speaker:I'm like, you're never going to guess what this alien spirit thing said to me.
Speaker:It usually happens to me after much of it, but if you can do it with music, it's great.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:It's funny.
Speaker:So when I, gosh, I was getting ready to move back to California.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:And, man, I, gosh, there were a few things that happened kind of all at once.
Speaker:One was about my first singing bowl set, because I was like, oh, it's time to start experimenting
Speaker:with this.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And I was like, but if I'm going to buy this bowl set, I have to do a sound bath.
Speaker:So I bought the bowl set kind of on a leap of faith.
Speaker:And then two days later, I got a phone call.
Speaker:And it was like, hey, Red Bull needs a sound bath.
Speaker:Do you do sound baths?
Speaker:And I was like, yes.
Speaker:Red Bull.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Wow.
Speaker:So with Red Bull sound bath, it doesn't seem to.
Speaker:It's interesting.
Speaker:It was like a regional corporate event.
Speaker:Interesting.
Speaker:So I was like, cool.
Speaker:And I, with that, got to bring what I had wanted to bring to sound baths that I had never
Speaker:seen or experienced before.
Speaker:So it was like, I had acoustic guitar, I had piano, I had all these pads, I had all these
Speaker:rings and major sounds.
Speaker:And, you know, on the fly kind of did it all.
Speaker:But it's still just you at this point.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And then there was an event space that was being held by a development company here in
Speaker:town.
Speaker:And they were like, hey, you know, we've got this space for a year.
Speaker:We're going to do some fun events yet over the next year.
Speaker:And then we're going to build an apartment building here.
Speaker:So a friend of mine was responsible for booking those events.
Speaker:So she brought me into the space and she was like, hey, I've got this space.
Speaker:You do events.
Speaker:What would you do here?
Speaker:And I was immediately just like, I want to do one of my private.
Speaker:Full Moon ceremonies here.
Speaker:You know, she's like, cool, do it.
Speaker:She was like, whatever.
Speaker:Sure.
Speaker:So the next full moon was the, I think it was July 7th, 2022.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:And it was a giant old car showroom.
Speaker:Huge, huge cement.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:I mean, the acoustics in there were so live.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I dropped my car keys in there one time and the sound just went.
Speaker:And I was like, oh, a singing bowl in here would be crazy.
Speaker:I'll never forget bringing it in there for the first time and starting to play it in the
Speaker:whole room.
Speaker:Just amplify.
Speaker:It's just captures it.
Speaker:It was unbelievable to this day.
Speaker:My favorite space to do sound.
Speaker:It's so crazy.
Speaker:So I have a singing bowl and my cousin was over and I mentioned that I had a singing bowl.
Speaker:He's like, what's that?
Speaker:So I pulled this thing out and I start to get a play the thing.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And his mind like was blown.
Speaker:He was like, he was like, bro, the day after he actually texted me and said, I think
Speaker:that singing bowl did something to him.
Speaker:And I'm like, yeah, dude, it does something.
Speaker:Because the sound feels like it comes from everywhere.
Speaker:It's such an interesting.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:You know, and you can almost feel the waves of sound coming off of the thing.
Speaker:You totally can't.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:It's really interesting.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Absolutely.
Speaker:You know, it's a circular idiophone.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:So it's like, it's got this acoustic property that is so three-dimensional.
Speaker:And when you play them, it's kind of interesting because you can kind of feel one with the bowl
Speaker:at a certain point.
Speaker:Absolutely.
Speaker:You know what I mean?
Speaker:Like you get the, yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I totally get what you're saying.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So, you know, she agrees to let me do this event.
Speaker:And I go to, I had been playing at a kind of a, I had been playing piano at a spa in town.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:And there was a woman who worked there who had a set of singing bowls.
Speaker:And I was like, hey, you know, are you singing bowls in the same tuning as mine?
Speaker:She was like, yes, they are.
Speaker:And I was like, do you want to do a sound bath together?
Speaker:She was like, absolutely.
Speaker:And I was like, great, because I need somebody to play bowls while I play piano.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:She was like, cool.
Speaker:So, I put together essentially the first ever, what would become a home.
Speaker:Pretty home bath.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And I've just, I've got piano.
Speaker:I've got these kind of nature sounds.
Speaker:We've got our singing bowls.
Speaker:We've got a few other instruments.
Speaker:And then, you know, we put, we put everything up on event bright and it sells out.
Speaker:And it was just full.
Speaker:And I was like, whoa.
Speaker:I was like, I'm going to be a little bit more comfortable with the sound bath.
Speaker:And I was like, I'm going to be a little bit more comfortable with the sound bath.
Speaker:And I was like, I'm going to be a little bit more comfortable with the sound bath.
Speaker:And I was like, I'm going to be a little bit more comfortable with the sound bath.
Speaker:And I was like, I'm going to be a little bit more comfortable with the sound bath.
Speaker:And I was like, I'm going to be a little bit more comfortable with the sound bath.
Speaker:And I was like, I'm going to be a little bit more comfortable with the sound bath.
Speaker:And I was like, I'm going to be a little bit more comfortable with the sound bath.
Speaker:And I was like, quiet.
Speaker:We even went and asked them to turn off their fans.
Speaker:Sir, are you going to buy something?
Speaker:You literally exactly that.
Speaker:You know, and I was just like, oh my gosh, we found the parent.
Speaker:We both started crying because it was just like this beautiful combination of sex.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:We put so much time and patience and intention into picking the witch times that we use at the end of the sound baths.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And then, you know, I was like, okay, these are in a different tuning.
Speaker:So it's going to actually, it's sharper, which will wake people up a little bit.
Speaker:And it's in F major, which is where the heart is.
Speaker:You know, just a half step from what's considered the happiest chord in the world.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:It sounds like this is perfect.
Speaker:What is the happiest chord in the world?
Speaker:They say it's F sharp major.
Speaker:So we do the sound bath.
Speaker:And the response was wonderful.
Speaker:It was beautiful.
Speaker:You know, I was so nervous.
Speaker:We were both very nervous.
Speaker:Sure.
Speaker:You know, I was just like, you know, I've performed tons in my life.
Speaker:But this is a different level and different type of presence.
Speaker:And responsibility and sensitivity.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:And then I was like, well, let's do it again.
Speaker:So we did the next full moon, okay, filled up.
Speaker:And then I was like, let's start doing the new moon too.
Speaker:That one filled up.
Speaker:Sure.
Speaker:It was just like, and every single sound bath was connecting me to just all these new people in town.
Speaker:Oh, maybe I'll want to stay here.
Speaker:Like, I'm making all these new friends.
Speaker:Like this community that you didn't even know was there is suddenly appearing in your.
Speaker:Yeah, just and and also so many people were coming there and making friends.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:And I was like, oh, man, this is this is what I wanted.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:And I got I was also really into building the stations that were there.
Speaker:So it started off with just I had, you know, made a bunch of fortune cookie fortunes that were, you know, things for my journals and different quotes.
Speaker:And then I was like, we're going to put up, you know, these cards.
Speaker:And I was like, oh, let's add more and more and more and more to where we had a ton of things.
Speaker:Yeah, you made it a whole experience.
Speaker:It's really amazing.
Speaker:It's really fun.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So as basically any any any of the ticket money that came in went right back into just like improving the experiences.
Speaker:Like, let's get candles.
Speaker:Let's get, you know, more instruments.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Let's get more musicians.
Speaker:Let's get, you know, it's just it just I hadn't been that in love in a long time.
Speaker:Huh.
Speaker:Well, I was because this experience was based on my safe place as a child.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:The little four or five year old me sitting in my room quietly just listening.
Speaker:This was that.
Speaker:And then you're like, this is your aha moment.
Speaker:Like, oh, yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:The Japanese.
Speaker:This is the thing that I've been looking for.
Speaker:And now, yeah.
Speaker:I was in a video of me when I was 12 with my brother and we had an ambient band when we were in middle school.
Speaker:Oh, it was a spankle.
Speaker:We were called collected fictions.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:That's good.
Speaker:Um, the waiting for a bad band name is what I'm saying.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:So, um, in this video, we found it so funny.
Speaker:I'm sitting there and he's playing ambient guitar and I'm playing ocean sounds.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:And then I switched and I'm playing bird sound.
Speaker:Sure.
Speaker:And then I'm playing rain sounds.
Speaker:And I was like, I'm still doing that.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:No.
Speaker:Just took me a while from here to there.
Speaker:To there.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And it just kept going.
Speaker:And, um, oh, man, it was just, it was just, we, home was so, I want to say, I want to say, so
Speaker:divinely carried.
Speaker:There was so many beautiful people that showed up.
Speaker:There were so many things that just happened right at the right time to allow it to continue to move forward.
Speaker:And it was so beautiful and so special.
Speaker:No, it's, it's totally true.
Speaker:For me, even like just discovering it and realizing this whole, there's side of Columbus.
Speaker:And then, yeah, you created something like magical there and, uh, yeah, well done, sir.
Speaker:Well done.
Speaker:Thank you.
Speaker:Thank you.
Speaker:I appreciate it.
Speaker:You know, I gave it my entire, my body heart soul, but isn't it great when you find something
Speaker:that you want to give that to?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And that's what I was saying.
Speaker:And the only way I could do that was by how in love with it I was.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:I was like, this is so, you know, people say, say a line, you know, but I was just like, this is so me.
Speaker:Like, I was born for this.
Speaker:And I think people, I think that was part of the vibe is that people could feel it, you know, good.
Speaker:That was just a part.
Speaker:The energy in those spaces was just, it was, it was something else.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:It was good stuff.
Speaker:Thank you.
Speaker:You moved to the other church and then you did that for a couple of years to the church space.
Speaker:We, so we were in gravity for a while.
Speaker:And then they were like, we're going to break ground.
Speaker:So you got to get out of here.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:And then we moved over to the municipal light plant, which is like cruise stadium.
Speaker:It's where the yellow cruise smokestack is.
Speaker:Oh, okay.
Speaker:So that building, it was the first power plant.
Speaker:I'm pretty sure it was the first power plant in Columbus, turned into a wedding venue office
Speaker:space.
Speaker:And we were in the MLP for about a year and then Cameron, I believe it was Cameron Mitchell
Speaker:came in and took over the building.
Speaker:Oh, of course.
Speaker:And they were like, it's going to be $25,000 to do an event here on the weekend.
Speaker:Wow.
Speaker:Cameron Mitchell and Lada Soundbath guy.
Speaker:We've learned that.
Speaker:You know, well, you know, I just, I can appreciate a business model.
Speaker:That is not emotional.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:I hope because I'm surrounded by a lot of emotional business.
Speaker:Oh, I understand.
Speaker:And it's hard.
Speaker:And it's hard because yeah, there's a lot of feeling there.
Speaker:And I'm like, if they could just show up and be like, hey, love what you're doing, but it's
Speaker:going to be $25,000.
Speaker:I'm like, you know, right.
Speaker:Good for you.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Then the sanctuary, which is where we were for about a year and a half, which is where you
Speaker:came to church over there on Neil.
Speaker:Yeah, that we were just like, okay, we're going to make this work.
Speaker:It's a cool space.
Speaker:It was a really cool space.
Speaker:You know, parking was a little tough.
Speaker:True.
Speaker:But a lot of growth and a lot of great stuff happened in there.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So, yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And so you did it for a two and a half or a year and a half there and then you started
Speaker:doing it.
Speaker:So you were doing the caves and the O'Lentangie caverns or something.
Speaker:Was that?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So kind of, we always had the recurring full moon, new moon, we're solstice, you know, some
Speaker:or solstice, the equinox events going on.
Speaker:And we started doing a ton of stuff outside of that.
Speaker:Actually, we have practitioners in different states.
Speaker:We do rehab centers.
Speaker:We do corporate stuff.
Speaker:We do private stuff.
Speaker:We do rec centers.
Speaker:And this is all started with home and then just kind of grew.
Speaker:It all grew from there.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And kind of going back to something you said earlier, it was like, has anybody done this
Speaker:before?
Speaker:And I hadn't seen the kind of concert style sound back before.
Speaker:But I knew that it was coming.
Speaker:I was like, it's too obvious.
Speaker:It's too obvious.
Speaker:I'm just wondering what's going on with that way now.
Speaker:Yeah, totally.
Speaker:And sure enough, now I mean, that's most of what I'm seeing out.
Speaker:Like there's all these large events that look a lot like home.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:And I think it's great.
Speaker:Sure.
Speaker:I don't feel possessive whatsoever about that.
Speaker:Because how can you be because you can't, you can't copyright what that is.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:You can't own that, right?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And with that, it was never a personal representation showing up in home was always this place of service
Speaker:and of love.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:And it was my playground.
Speaker:I was like, I get to have fun here.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I was like, I love getting to show up and do these experiences.
Speaker:It's just as satisfying and opening and healing and wonderful for me as it is for some of the
Speaker:people that would show up and use the space.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:You know, however they needed it.
Speaker:And it was never about trying to sell something about my name on it, you know, which was so
Speaker:relieving for me as an exhausted artist.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:You know, I was like, Oh, God.
Speaker:I think I'm not trying to be like, Hey, go, go stream me online and, you know, buy my
Speaker:t-shirt.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So it's a complicated thing too, because you're doing what you love, but you also do want to
Speaker:make money.
Speaker:You also want to live.
Speaker:Totally.
Speaker:I mean, so it's a complicated, I guess that probably had to be a complicated dynamic in
Speaker:that sense is like how much money should I make from this?
Speaker:Absolutely.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:For sure.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:That was, I mean, that was definitely another whole part of it.
Speaker:Again, I was still working through a lot of that period.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:You know, I was doing a lot of freelance music and freelance composition.
Speaker:And I was a product photographer for Dungeons and Dragons dice.
Speaker:Sure.
Speaker:Why not?
Speaker:You know, I've had as an interesting set of odd jobs.
Speaker:How do you get to be a photographer of Dungeons and Dragons dice?
Speaker:So I was the music director for a video game studio for a while.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:And there was a, I believe he was the intern CEO and he left the company and was working for
Speaker:a toy company and they specifically made dice.
Speaker:And he was like, he do photos and I was like, yeah, he's like, you played Dungeons and Dragons.
Speaker:I was like, yes, he's like, I'm going to send you a bunch of dice.
Speaker:I was like, okay.
Speaker:As if playing Dungeons and Dragons makes you qualify to take pictures of the dice.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:You know, he just, he just, he asked if I could and I had a, I actually had a photo suite at my
Speaker:house.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:So I did that for a while.
Speaker:Shout the hell out of those dice.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:It was cool because I mean, they were like, they're cool looking dice.
Speaker:Really, you really wild.
Speaker:You know, I mean, just the dice with all the like 20-sided dice are cool looking.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:All the different things.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And you know, kind of the, getting into kind of the business of, of what does this look
Speaker:like, you know, functioning in this holistic world.
Speaker:And then I had, I had voices coming at me from so many different directions.
Speaker:Sure.
Speaker:You know, I had some people, some people saying like, you got to do everything for free.
Speaker:And this is actually hilarious.
Speaker:The first home sound bath, well, before it was home, that very first sound bath.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I went to the person who was responsible for the venue and we sat down and I was like,
Speaker:I want this event to be free.
Speaker:And she was like, she's like, babe, I love your heart.
Speaker:But if you do this for free, you will never do another one ever again.
Speaker:And I was like, okay, there's so many kind of mechanisms there that she was referring to.
Speaker:One is if you make a free event, people will register and because they registered for free,
Speaker:they won't value it.
Speaker:They won't show up.
Speaker:They won't show up.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:So you have a bunch of empty spots, but you will have a full booking.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And the thing is there's kind of a broken relationship there with energy exchange.
Speaker:What is your time worth?
Speaker:You know, people being like, hey, I love this act of service.
Speaker:You want to be an act of giving.
Speaker:But you are also giving, not just your service, you're giving your time.
Speaker:And that needs to be worth something.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:So she was just kind of like, you know, don't make it free.
Speaker:You don't have to make it expensive.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So I think we need that person in our lives to tell us.
Speaker:100%.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Absolutely.
Speaker:And through doing this and, you know, working with different things, there's lots of different
Speaker:scales.
Speaker:You know, if a huge, you know, multi, multi, multi million dollar corporate company comes
Speaker:to us and they're like, come to a sound bath for us.
Speaker:It's like, we have a, we have a pricing for that.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:If a, if a community center wants us to come and do something for the community, that's
Speaker:going to be way different.
Speaker:Sure.
Speaker:You know, sure.
Speaker:And you can use the big ones to fund the small ones.
Speaker:Exactly.
Speaker:It's that's always kind of been the idea with when I first got into it.
Speaker:I was like, the only way this is going to work is.
Speaker:By providing enough blood to the service through the commodity.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:If that makes sense.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:You know, so it is service in that kind of environment, but it is kind of this commodified
Speaker:fun thing.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:So it's like, okay, the commodity will pay for the service.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So kind of balancing that in there and then just having this, this scale of accessibility.
Speaker:When home first started out, there were all these things on the event break that were
Speaker:like if you're a yoga teacher, you can come for free for the first time.
Speaker:If you need help, use this code.
Speaker:It's 50% off.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:If you were any type of teacher in town, here's a code for 50% off.
Speaker:We wanted it to be accessible.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:But then as more and more and more and more people started getting kind of employed, we
Speaker:had to remove some of those because when I would go back and look at it.
Speaker:I was like, this person's used this code for every sound bat for a year.
Speaker:You know, I used about, I used it three times.
Speaker:I'm sorry.
Speaker:Oh, I don't give a shit.
Speaker:I don't care.
Speaker:It was more so just being like, okay, we got to, you know, we got to, yeah, that's when it
Speaker:gets complicated is when money gets involved, unfortunately, but yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker:So what's the future plans for the whole thing?
Speaker:Yeah, totally.
Speaker:So we just did the big sound.
Speaker:We so you know, the world's largest sound bat.
Speaker:Did you actually get the world record?
Speaker:Well, so we had a very wonderful conversation with Gennis World Records.
Speaker:Oh, did you really?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And this was the second time, but we tried to get the world record in 2023, right?
Speaker:And they, oh my God, I filled out so much paperwork and waited months and months and months and
Speaker:months and then they were like, great, that'll be $18,000.
Speaker:And $18,000 to get baseline, baseline price to get somebody to come out to confirm or just
Speaker:to get just to confirm.
Speaker:Wow.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I had no idea.
Speaker:So that's interesting.
Speaker:So there could be many people who have world records who just don't have $18,000.
Speaker:So frankly, the Guinness Book of World Records, you know, I'm not going to try to offend anybody
Speaker:here.
Speaker:Could very well be full of fraudulent world records because who has $18,000?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I mean, well, okay, so this is, this is kind of their model, right?
Speaker:The individual world records.
Speaker:They're like a hundred bucks.
Speaker:I see.
Speaker:So, they're like, hey, we want to do something big and something that is marketable.
Speaker:We want to do something that will, you know, get eyeballs and get press.
Speaker:So if they want to get pressed to, yeah, exactly.
Speaker:So Guinness World Records is essentially acting as a marketing company, which is of course,
Speaker:of course, is a model that's going to allow them to survive and has allowed them to survive.
Speaker:So I totally understand that.
Speaker:And it was also disappointing to just be like, hey, this is a fairly like, like, relatively
Speaker:small community thing that is, you know, centered around mental health on the international
Speaker:day of peace.
Speaker:And, you know, all of these things and they were like, no, they were like, we love that.
Speaker:That would be $18,000.
Speaker:I was like, okay, again, going back to these non-emotional business transactions, I was like,
Speaker:okay, I get it.
Speaker:Is there a record held now, but for the world's largest summit?
Speaker:No, no, no.
Speaker:So you were establishing a new one.
Speaker:Exactly.
Speaker:Yeah, which is an additional cost.
Speaker:Oh, I see.
Speaker:Oh, yeah.
Speaker:It's a dollar sign.
Speaker:It's a record.
Speaker:It's a record.
Speaker:It's a record.
Speaker:It's a record.
Speaker:They have kind of different prizes there.
Speaker:It's just dollar signs on everything.
Speaker:It's just like, you know, it's interesting having this conversation because it really isn't
Speaker:a lot of ways, this conflict between, between healing and giving back to the community.
Speaker:But also, there's dollar signs.
Speaker:There's marketing.
Speaker:There's all this stuff on the other side.
Speaker:But yeah, so you were saying you're, so we did that large event.
Speaker:It was great.
Speaker:It was the largest collaborative soundbath in the world.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:You know, just the official Guinness world records, you know, not a thing.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:It was wonderful.
Speaker:It was really, really wonderful.
Speaker:It was incredibly, incredibly, incredibly taxing on me.
Speaker:I'm sure.
Speaker:On all fronts.
Speaker:I had a great team, but it was just logistics.
Speaker:The logistics were, we're bonkers.
Speaker:You know, I mean, thinking about everything from the port of parties to the badges, to the
Speaker:EMS, to the insurance, to the, you know, every little thing.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So we did that.
Speaker:It was wonderful.
Speaker:And I had already felt my wins changing for the last year.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:And I was like, I'm ready to just, to just let this go, you know, in a way.
Speaker:So, but one thing I've found so much joy in is teaching, you know, so it's about a year
Speaker:ago.
Speaker:I started teaching singing bowl workshops and sound healing classes and sound bath composition
Speaker:classes.
Speaker:And those have been so fun.
Speaker:We, we stopped doing the full moon and new moon ones.
Speaker:I don't know if those will come back.
Speaker:They might.
Speaker:We are still doing some of the larger ones.
Speaker:We're doing the museum again in the spring.
Speaker:We're going to do, I'm doing some smaller ones for like the winter solstice in New
Speaker:Years and, you know, I'm also working on revamping all of my teaching courses and will be just
Speaker:doing a lot of teaching.
Speaker:Because now there's tons of practitioners, which is great.
Speaker:And so where do you see this in 10 year?
Speaker:I think that in 10 years, the offline in person movement is going to explode.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:There's going to be such a tipping point that there will almost be this, just this whole
Speaker:birth of new form immersive experience, entertainment where the rising technology meets the needs
Speaker:of community and all of these new experiential venues.
Speaker:We're going to pop up because people are trying to pull ideas out of their ass to get people
Speaker:to pay money for experiences now.
Speaker:Sure.
Speaker:And which I kind of appreciate the kind of progressive and state of the art qualities
Speaker:that some of these are doing.
Speaker:I was at this experiential museum in New York City.
Speaker:I forget the name of it.
Speaker:It's right by the World Trade Center, but there was a room in there that you, it's a dark
Speaker:room.
Speaker:There's like a low layer of fog on it.
Speaker:You lie on the ground.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And they've somehow connected the subwoofer to the floor.
Speaker:Oh, yeah.
Speaker:So you're lying there and there's a sound space going on with the blinders for everybody.
Speaker:But then like, you know, a lion or something and the entire floor just kind of goes like this.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:It was, it was incredible.
Speaker:That's so cool.
Speaker:And I was like, you know, like, you know, house music or something.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:The entire thing.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So sweet.
Speaker:I really wanted to build a yoga studio here in town that had butt kickers in the floor, which
Speaker:is probably what's doing.
Speaker:What's a butt picker?
Speaker:There essentially, there essentially these like transducers that you can, that pick up a
Speaker:low frequencies and play the fun.
Speaker:They shake at the fundamental of the sound source.
Speaker:They're called butt pickers.
Speaker:Butt kickers.
Speaker:Butt kickers.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:That's how, you know, you get like a lot of rumble and seats.
Speaker:I love that idea.
Speaker:I've had this idea for a yoga studio because I go to yoga a lot and I always, I don't want
Speaker:just like background music, right?
Speaker:If you're going to have music, have music, right?
Speaker:And some of the classes that I love the most are when they really are intentional with
Speaker:it.
Speaker:And when the sound system is really good, like it, like it wraps around you, you know?
Speaker:And then lights to have this idea when it's like these awesome lights and like a cool
Speaker:sound system and all this.
Speaker:But the amount of money you'd have to put into something like that.
Speaker:And yoga is, I think the margin there is probably pretty hard to 100%.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Oh well.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I dreamed up a whole, whole wellness studio.
Speaker:That was going to be like a light sound killer light studio immersive.
Speaker:I have another friend who wants to do it too.
Speaker:One of these days, man, we should all because my friend does stuff in, yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So, beyond the sound bath stuff and the home stuff, like what do you, what's Jesse, what
Speaker:do you like to do?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Like beyond all that stuff, which you mean?
Speaker:Oh, man.
Speaker:I mean, I'm sure those sound bath stuff is pretty much all encompassing a lot of the time.
Speaker:But like, you know, yeah, they were for the last four years.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:It was such a big thing.
Speaker:So before that, I ran a poetry publishing company.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:It was called Secret Midnight Press.
Speaker:It was a few friends and I.
Speaker:And we did small batch poetry publications, really based around mental health.
Speaker:We would put together a yearly poetry festival here in town.
Speaker:That was like this like Ren Fair meets Burning Man kind of idea called Atlas Black.
Speaker:It was a very, very cool, you know, kind of avant garde.
Speaker:And then we did, you know, some poetry tours.
Speaker:We did, you know, European poetry tours.
Speaker:We did domestic poetry tours and we hosted open mics for years.
Speaker:So poetry is a huge, huge part of my life.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So I'm working on a new collection of poetry.
Speaker:I'm working on a bunch of ambient music with a bunch of different artists that's all going
Speaker:to be up online, you know?
Speaker:So putting out a ton of, since I'm stepping back from doing the sound bath full like all
Speaker:the time, right, I'm making space so that I can make some original music working on some
Speaker:hip-hop and dance songs.
Speaker:I used to do a lot of like hip-hop stuff and hip-hop production.
Speaker:Do you have any brothers or sisters?
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker:I've got one older brother.
Speaker:And what does he do?
Speaker:He is, he is also an artist.
Speaker:He's had to work most of his life, right?
Speaker:You know, and there's some complications there, sure.
Speaker:Always.
Speaker:But he's brilliant.
Speaker:Is he still here?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:He's a Columbus.
Speaker:He's a very, very brilliant person.
Speaker:And your parents are still around?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah, I'm very close with most of my family.
Speaker:Oh, that's nice.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So everybody's kind of in their own space.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Yeah, I wrote my parents.
Speaker:And you're going to stick around Columbus, you think?
Speaker:No.
Speaker:No, and me either, actually.
Speaker:So you know, I just spent three weeks in Japan.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And I was like, you know what?
Speaker:One of the things that's been on my bucket list, my whole life is still living in a foreign
Speaker:country.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And I'm not married.
Speaker:I don't have kids.
Speaker:I have the same exact feeling like I'm doing this.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And I'm just like, you know what?
Speaker:I'm going to do this now.
Speaker:You absolutely should.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So I'm taking this winner to sort through all of my belongings, figure that out.
Speaker:Get rid of it all.
Speaker:Get rid of it all.
Speaker:Get it all.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Except for the keyboards.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Keep all the music here.
Speaker:Keep the music here.
Speaker:Figure out, you know, a few things, try to line some stuff over there.
Speaker:I'm doing self-taught Japanese lessons like workbooks, videos, podcasts and things like that
Speaker:for the last six months.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:And then in January, I start school for Japanese.
Speaker:Oh, nice.
Speaker:Very difficult language.
Speaker:Incredibly difficult.
Speaker:But oh, it's so fun.
Speaker:And it's been really, really, really, I've had so much fun.
Speaker:Because there's like three different alphabet says that.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And, you know, they're borrowed from Chinese.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And, you know, they're basically, they're, you know, they say in like daily use 97% of the
Speaker:time, you're only going to use about a thousand.
Speaker:Sure.
Speaker:But to be proficient to pass the end one, which is the top proficiency test, you have to
Speaker:know about 2200.
Speaker:And what's crazy is they have the on and the coon sounds.
Speaker:One is the sound that it adopts from China.
Speaker:And the other is the sound that it has within Japanese.
Speaker:So you have to memorize the Chinese sound, the Japanese sound, what it represents and how
Speaker:it fits into context.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I lived in Korea for a couple years.
Speaker:Oh, well.
Speaker:When I was like 30 or so teaching English.
Speaker:And I wish I'd learned how to speak Korean.
Speaker:I learned a little bit, but you can learn how to read it because their alphabet is one of
Speaker:the, it was, it's a legitimately invented alphabet invented by this King Sejong, who
Speaker:based the characters on the shape of his wife's mouth when she made the sound.
Speaker:So there's only 27 characters and you can pick it up in a day.
Speaker:What a love story.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:He was an interesting king from what I read.
Speaker:Yeah, I'm sure.
Speaker:Mix swagger.
Speaker:Mix swagger.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I saw that on the internet.
Speaker:I was just going to ask what exactly.
Speaker:For sure.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So that's, it's funny.
Speaker:You bring that up.
Speaker:So Mix swagger was a trilogy graphic novel series that I spent a few years writing.
Speaker:Oh, all right.
Speaker:And I started writing it in late high school.
Speaker:It took place in the future.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And how artificial intelligence had evolved to this point where every brand created a mascot
Speaker:that was a fully sentient AI sort of representative.
Speaker:And they made them all into pop stars and celebrities and all of these things.
Speaker:And so that there were no more human pop stars and or celebrities.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:And, but they were all just intellectual property that were shared and it was all big
Speaker:business.
Speaker:And it was all, you know, all the street crossovers and essentially exactly what's happening
Speaker:now.
Speaker:Yeah, we're getting there.
Speaker:So, yeah.
Speaker:Mix swagger was, if the email address that I have for all of my Mix swagger stuff is the
Speaker:artificial intelligence entertainment.
Speaker:So it's the AI entertainment dot gmail.com.
Speaker:And you know, I've had that email address for like 18 years.
Speaker:It's like a black mirror episode.
Speaker:Come true.
Speaker:Totally.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And when I, I mean, it was such a cool idea.
Speaker:I loved, loved, loved Mix swagger.
Speaker:So it was going to be a music act.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:That went hand in hand with the graphic novel.
Speaker:The graphic novel was essentially, he was like the first big AI.
Speaker:He was the original.
Speaker:He was only by this guy.
Speaker:And there was a third.
Speaker:This is crazy too because it plays into it.
Speaker:There was a third government movement rising to power.
Speaker:And it was called new modern and new modern wanted to use the IP of Mix swagger to promote
Speaker:new modern.
Speaker:And he basically said, I'll never get involved in your politics.
Speaker:Murdered him, framed Mix swagger.
Speaker:Mix swagger is sent to be shut down.
Speaker:Mix swagger is modeled after the last human rock star named Julian Gold.
Speaker:So you would have like albums coming out and singles coming out.
Speaker:You would have Julian Gold's music coming out.
Speaker:You would have Mix swagger's music coming out.
Speaker:You would have the other characters.
Speaker:They would have albums coming out and they would all be doing songs together.
Speaker:And we were talking with different artists of playing the different characters.
Speaker:So we were like, oh, we're going to have, you know,
Speaker:there was a, a T-shirt company.
Speaker:And it was this robot, this AI named Miss Sugar.
Speaker:You know, she was this Southern bell.
Speaker:So it was Miss Sugar's sweet T's.
Speaker:So you could go to Miss Sugar's sweet T's and buy her T-shirts online and get that merchandise.
Speaker:But then she would also have like songs and stuff.
Speaker:And then there was a whiskey sales AI personality named Dusty Crates.
Speaker:And we were going to do a collab with Jack Daniel.
Speaker:So it would be like Jack Daniel's Dusty Crates version of whiskey.
Speaker:How long ago did you write this?
Speaker:This, I was like 18, 1920.
Speaker:Wow.
Speaker:Press Shant.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:God help us all.
Speaker:It was, yeah.
Speaker:Soon to be a major motion picture, probably.
Speaker:Oh my God.
Speaker:It was another one of the things I was so devastating to me.
Speaker:Because I poured years and years and years into writing this trilogy.
Speaker:You know, and interweaving all of the interactive elements.
Speaker:Because it was going to be music videos.
Speaker:It was going to be short films.
Speaker:It was going to be graphic novels.
Speaker:All of this merchandising and all this really, really fun stuff.
Speaker:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker:You know, really, this was before there was a ton of like really immersive story.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:You had a vision.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And there were some companies and some, you know, people that were interested in supporting
Speaker:it.
Speaker:But it never, it never, it's never too late.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Well, it's, it, I've thought about it a bunch.
Speaker:And I was like, it'd be funny to use essentially do mixwacker now.
Speaker:You know, like, yeah.
Speaker:Like bring it back and actually involved because, I mean, this huge K-pop deal just went through.
Speaker:And it's the first ever signed AI artist.
Speaker:And it was like, this like $200 million.
Speaker:And it's just this AI personality.
Speaker:I was like, this is literally mixedwacker.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And mixedwacker was modeled after some of what was happening in K-pop, you know, later on when
Speaker:I started doing it.
Speaker:And I was like, this is crazy.
Speaker:It's interesting.
Speaker:If you did it now, because it would almost be like, is this actually, is this actually happening
Speaker:right?
Speaker:Like, it's like a question of, is this real or is it not real?
Speaker:Because it actually is happening in here.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker:But still, you should do it.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Which, which is funny to say that because that was part of the graphic novel was time travel.
Speaker:And, and like was, you know, basically finding out that in the future, what we call UFO
Speaker:sightings here today is actually, AI is being sent through a ripened in time to go and collect
Speaker:observational data to take back to program AI.
Speaker:Wouldn't it be strange if you found out that this all ended up becoming true?
Speaker:This thing you wrote.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And you ended up being some sort of like a, like a, like a profit of some sort of people would
Speaker:like, it would be like, he knew before everybody else knew.
Speaker:And now the AI is actually coming from outer space and breaking through anyway, just I thought
Speaker:I had.
Speaker:Can you imagine all of that's called mixedwacker?
Speaker:So funny.
Speaker:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker:I have a, just a few more here.
Speaker:Sure.
Speaker:You don't even need to use my list.
Speaker:But, because we get some most.
Speaker:You said you were also leaving Columbus.
Speaker:Where do you want to go?
Speaker:Well, I spent, I lost my job earlier this year.
Speaker:So I went to Mexico City.
Speaker:I never been to Mexico City.
Speaker:You been a dream of going.
Speaker:Dude, I'm telling you, go there before you go to Japan because Mexico City is.
Speaker:That's anyway, I love it there.
Speaker:Yeah, I spent about a month and a half there in spring and then went back for my birthday
Speaker:just like last week for a week.
Speaker:And that's right.
Speaker:Every time I go back there, I'm just like number one, America is not fun right now.
Speaker:You know what I mean?
Speaker:It's got bad vibes.
Speaker:So yeah, I'm really trying hard to get some remote like podcasting or video editing work,
Speaker:which is my, which is my business.
Speaker:So I can just move to my specific city for like six, five, six months, as long as the V-Soul
Speaker:last, at least, and see what happens.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Kind of digital nomad it because I don't have any kids.
Speaker:I'm not connected.
Speaker:Totally.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I mean, what am I doing in Columbus is the question I asked myself because everybody
Speaker:here as a house and is married for the most part.
Speaker:And it just feels like, you know, I feel out of place.
Speaker:Sometimes.
Speaker:I get it.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:That was one of the big reasons why I wanted to leave.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I got to go be with my wife.
Speaker:And life is too fucking short to be, you know what I mean?
Speaker:So time's flying right now.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And it's, I don't know.
Speaker:All the fun stuff happens outside of your comfort zone.
Speaker:People don't realize this.
Speaker:They're afraid to do things.
Speaker:But like, that's where the fun stuff's going to happen.
Speaker:That's where the gold stuff is, you know.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you see.
Speaker:Always.
Speaker:All the fun stuff I look back on, I was like resistant to it first, but then did it
Speaker:anyway.
Speaker:And I was like, well, thank God I did that because it's the loop.
Speaker:Same.
Speaker:Oh, always every time.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:It's a life lesson that I wish I'd learned earlier, but I'm glad I learned it eventually.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Because I think it's one of the most important ones that most people never actually learn.
Speaker:I think it's because they don't have a lot of encouragement or examples that they know.
Speaker:They see them in movies.
Speaker:Truth.
Speaker:They see, they hear them in stories, but there's a disconnect there.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:You got a favorite song right now?
Speaker:Oh, man.
Speaker:Favorite song right now.
Speaker:Right now.
Speaker:One of the top three.
Speaker:Goodetski Polish composer.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:I just discovered this.
Speaker:It's, you know, I think it was if written in the 70s.
Speaker:Symphony number three, Opus 36.
Speaker:It's the symphony of sorrowful songs.
Speaker:It's three movements all done by a solo sopranoist.
Speaker:It's opera.
Speaker:And each one is a different lament.
Speaker:The first one is Mary, I think, after losing Jesus.
Speaker:And I'm pretty sure the second one is a message written on a Gestapo prison wall.
Speaker:And the third one is a woman who lost her child, is looking for her child in the war.
Speaker:And it is just, oh my God.
Speaker:I have listened to the third movement so much in the last week.
Speaker:It is profound.
Speaker:It is so devastatingly beautiful.
Speaker:That's it right now for me.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Same one for me.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Weird, right?
Speaker:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker:What brings you joy?
Speaker:Oh, man.
Speaker:What brings me joy?
Speaker:Well, I mean, we know to a degree already, but yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:A lot of things bring me joy.
Speaker:I love the first thing I wanted to say was tea.
Speaker:I'm obsessed with tea.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:I love tea.
Speaker:Any particular flavor of tea?
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:My favorite tea is a lab saying sutrong.
Speaker:It's like a smoked tea.
Speaker:It's a Japan.
Speaker:It'll be good for you.
Speaker:Well, it's funny.
Speaker:So when I, it's actually a, not a Japanese form of processing.
Speaker:They do not have Japanese lab saying sutrong.
Speaker:But I centered a huge part of my jet, tripped to Japan around tea.
Speaker:Because they have, they're sure, very famous for their green tea.
Speaker:Japanese tea is green tea.
Speaker:Yeah, I love, I did the ceremony there.
Speaker:It's really sweet.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Matches ceremony, their green tea, their senchan, their matcha, and there's, you know, all
Speaker:of those kind of breakdown into different kind of qualities in the way they're grown and
Speaker:processed.
Speaker:But there's one guy in Japan who processes tea through the methods of creating a lab
Speaker:saying sutrong, through smoking it essentially.
Speaker:And I found this guy's information online.
Speaker:He won all these tea awards like last, like 10 years ago.
Speaker:And I just happened, he just happened to have his farm in the prefecture I was visiting
Speaker:for tea.
Speaker:And I was like, oh my God, I found his farm.
Speaker:I found his email address and I emailed him.
Speaker:I was like, hey, look, I, this is my favorite kind of tea in the world.
Speaker:He does his by burning Japanese whiskey barrels.
Speaker:And he smokes the tea in Japanese whiskey barrels.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Like, I would love nothing more on this trip while I'm here to come to your tea farm to meet
Speaker:you and to buy your tea.
Speaker:And he said, yes, sure.
Speaker:So I took, you know, this hour long train ride and this taxi ride out into the country and
Speaker:went to this guy's tea farm and he made me a cup of his lab saying sutrong.
Speaker:And it was, it was just, to me, it was one of the best moments ever.
Speaker:I was just like, this to me is so deep.
Speaker:To just my level of love, love.
Speaker:I love that.
Speaker:Yeah, it was really special to me.
Speaker:And almost more than that, I love the fact that all it took was just an email that you
Speaker:didn't think maybe he would answer, but you know, why not?
Speaker:People oftentimes will do that.
Speaker:Uh-huh.
Speaker:That's literally been my whole life is asking and why, you know, why not?
Speaker:Just ask.
Speaker:I emailed Ford when I was in 17.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:The, you know, Ford.
Speaker:And they just come out with the Ford flex.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And I was like, hey, can I have a free Ford flex to tour around the country and I'll take
Speaker:photos right about it and post it on my blog and on my space.
Speaker:And they said, yes, you are an entrepreneur.
Speaker:They say, I was like, wow, this is what I'll do.
Speaker:And they said, yes, but I was also suffering from crippling depression.
Speaker:So I ignored the paperwork for six months.
Speaker:And when I finally didn't send it back to them, they were like, dude, this was six months
Speaker:ago.
Speaker:And I was like, shit.
Speaker:I put a driven that Ford flex all over the country.
Speaker:I know.
Speaker:So funny, man.
Speaker:Wow.
Speaker:Entrepreneurship.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:The question that I usually ask at the end of the podcast is, what do you think happens when
Speaker:we die, when we move on to the next, whatever it is?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Absolutely.
Speaker:Well, we're obviously experiencing time right now, whatever that is.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Like, I always see it as just like, as a lightning bolt, you know, just like we are, we
Speaker:are just the little edge of that lightning bolt.
Speaker:And so I mean, the whole thing exists.
Speaker:And then that just discovers a pathway.
Speaker:So we're just discovering a pathway right now in a, you know, a signal going in one direction,
Speaker:but that doesn't mean that it's the only direction that exists.
Speaker:It just means that's the route we're traveling.
Speaker:I think that it's going to be like waking up, whatever it is.
Speaker:I think it's going to be wonderful.
Speaker:I actually was thinking about this earlier today.
Speaker:I was like, you know, it would be crazy is if like we wake up from this and it's literally
Speaker:just one dream in another life.
Speaker:And then we live a whole day of that life.
Speaker:And then we fall asleep again.
Speaker:And then we have a whole other life and then we wake up and then eventually we have to get
Speaker:through that whole second life.
Speaker:And then when we die, then it keeps going out layer by layer.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And I was like, but our consciousness follows it all the way out.
Speaker:I was like, that would be insane.
Speaker:That would be insane.
Speaker:I don't know if that's how it happens.
Speaker:All I know is that I've had family and friends pass away that I still experience, see and
Speaker:hear from.
Speaker:And I'm like, I know that this beautiful, beautiful mesh, this brushstroke, whatever it
Speaker:is, is so poetic in, and that's the only way that we can understand it and experience it.
Speaker:Even if it does wrap up and this is it, a story has to have an ending in order for it to
Speaker:be true.
Speaker:It's true.
Speaker:It's true.
Speaker:It gives the life meaning.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So I don't know, but I'm, I'm really happy to be here.
Speaker:I mean, you know, geez, it's a miracle, right?
Speaker:It's amazing.
Speaker:How strange it is to be anything at all as they say.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yes, exactly.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Neutral mo hotel.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Is there anything that Jesse would like to promote before we wrap up?
Speaker:Oh, man.
Speaker:You know, I feel like right now, I think one of the things I would love to promote is encouraging
Speaker:people to make that leap of faith towards themselves.
Speaker:Whatever that looks like.
Speaker:I love this.
Speaker:Take a chance.
Speaker:You know, take a chance.
Speaker:Get out of that comfort zone.
Speaker:Get out of the comfort zone.
Speaker:But I'm not saying necessarily by a ticket and go to a country, I'm saying, take a step
Speaker:in and, and like, make room for the voice of your heart to be heard.
Speaker:You know, I feel like, I feel like right now, the best way that we can help each other
Speaker:and help the world is by learning to hear our deeper wants and needs and being able
Speaker:to bring into the world and into our lives something that reflects that so that we have just,
Speaker:you know, people talk about authenticity a lot.
Speaker:If we can just have a bunch of really authentic people walking around, I think that it would
Speaker:be great for the nutrition of the soil of reality to see what grows from there, you know?
Speaker:And I think this winner is really just going to be massive for a lot of shedding, you know,
Speaker:metaphorically and a lot of people to come out next spring and just feeling different
Speaker:and feeling ready.
Speaker:So I say, whatever it looks like to make that possible.
Speaker:Jesse Cale.
Speaker:Thanks for coming on the podcast.
Speaker:Thanks for having me.
Speaker:It's great to get to know you.
Speaker:Great to get to hear your story.
Speaker:And yeah, I appreciate it, man.
Speaker:Appreciate you having me.
Speaker:This was so fun.
Speaker:I appreciate that.
Speaker:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker:Thanks, man.
Speaker:Of course.
Speaker:Bye, everybody.
Speaker:Bye.
Speaker:And that was Jesse Cale.
Speaker:I learned from that interview that the happiest chord is the F-sharp major chord.
Speaker:I did not know that.
Speaker:It's then I played it on my guitar and I was like, yeah, it is a happy chord.
Speaker:Always learning.
Speaker:Thank you so much, Jesse, for coming on the podcast.
Speaker:Thank you for your time.
Speaker:Really appreciate it.
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Speaker:And in honor of the new year, I'm going to go back to Rumi for some wisdom, insight, etc.
Speaker:This being human is a guesthouse. Every morning, a new arrival, a joy, a depression, a meanness,
Speaker:some momentary awareness comes as an unexpected visitor. Welcome and entertain them all,
Speaker:even if they're a crowd of sorrows who violently sweep your house empty of its furniture. Still, treat each
Speaker:guest honorably, he may be clearing you out for some new delight. The dark thought, the shame, the
Speaker:malice, meet the methador laughing and invite them in. Be grateful for whoever comes because each
Speaker:has been sent as a guide from beyond. I'll see you next week. Very good, Jeffrey.
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